Fpu2sse (probably)

[Bravo 1]

Hmm...what exactly does the thing you do with the command prompt do to it? ...does it format the .exe to YOUR specific computer's CPU? ...if not, then why would you not be able to send Cali one?

PS - Cali, what's your processor? ...I know your RAM is 512 and your Radeon...9200 was it?

[Calislahn]

No it's a GeForce fx 5200

And my cpu is an AMD Athlon 1000

As with everything to do with computers it was state of the art when i got it, and obsolete two days later ;D

[Bravo 1]

...I knew it had a two in it!

...maybe that's the best you can get out of your Athlon? ...maybe getting a Dell wasn't so bad as all my dad's PCs have Athlons in them...

[Mebyon]

I think I may be talking out of my hat but this is what I think happens Bravo. The fpu2sse program dissassembles the morrowind.exe file and then replaces some of the code to use something called 'sse' rather than 'fpu?'. This increases the speed at which a pentium processor can paint graphic stuff. Regan can probably give us a proper answer. (That is if he hasn't gone off in a huff after I pointed to him about that '>'! Please come back Regan, we need you!)

That probably means that the Athlon processor either dosn't support this sse stuff or doesn't need it? It also means that it's got nothing to do with the graphics card.

Anyway Cali, you're going to have to replace that machine, (as we all are), when Oblivion comes out!

[Regan]

Unfortunately the disassembly and patching process is different for each CPU, so unless someone also has an Athlon 1000, the chances are an updated EXE from somebody else wouldn't work

Have you tried starting in safe mode? I don't trust XP and I think it's interfering with the disassembly process

Or you could rob a bank

[Mebyon]

Or boot from a floppy? Long time since I tried that!

[Calislahn]

I think i'll just let things be, don't want a criminal record now do i ;D


And Mebyon's right, i'm already putting my pennies in the bank ready for Oblivion

[Bravo 1]

Well, I *did* read that thread...something about Athlons already having some sort of sse stuff in them which means that the change won't be that big?

Cali, give it a try in safe mode, it couldn't hurt!

...hmm, why are you guys worrying som much, do you really think Obilvion's gonna be that system demanding?

Morrowind was:

Although minimum requirements mention 128 MB RAM for Windows 98/ME and 256 MG RAM for Windows XP/2000, I wouldn't advise running Morrowind with anything less than 256 MB RAM, regardless of OS. A 500 MHz processor is required, too, but I think Bethesda Softworks' recommendation of 800 MHz is solidly on the mark.

I don't think minimum RAM will be higher than 512 (though seeing that XP is the RAM hog it is, XP users might want to consider 1024), processor of 1.75 and I think today's 'decent' cards should satisfy minimum...dont'cha think?

[Mebyon]

I'm not sure Bravo. I strongly suspect that when they say 'minimum' they mean like MINIMUM! It'll run but be totally unplayable! As Cali has pointed out, there is not a lot of fun jerking your way around places like Balmora and Vivec. The one thing we all look for in these games is immersion and there's no way to get immersed in an experience like some sort of stop-motion film.

My real problem is that I prefer to buy kit that's been out for a while. I've only just gone up to 2.5GHz because I can't actually buy a slower chip now! The same will be true for the 5GHz processor I'll buy when everybody is talking about their new 10GHz beast! Roll on the day that happens!

Actually I have a sinking feeling that we'll eventually have to go parallel processing as we'll hit the physical barriers to faster chips. Thank Gawd the programming is so difficult for parallel processing or we'd be having to upgrade already!

[Bravo 1]

Parallel processing? ...you mean multiple chips?

...interesting to say the least...

[Calislahn]

Surely if i can hardly get Morrowind running decently i wont have much joy with Oblivion. even if the minimum specs aren't much different my computer's still crap ;D

So unless it comes with a new pc included i think that's what i'm going to need

[Mebyon]

Sorry Bravo, maybe I should have been clearer. Parallel processing is where you have an array of processors, (like 64 or 128 of 'em). One usually has the job of co-ordinator and parcels out bits of the job to the others. There's a programming language called Occam, (I think), which I'm told is fiendishly difficult to master! I once saw a demonstration of a sort of helicopter display using 128 Z80 processors, (this was back in 1980 and I think they were running at less than 1MHz). The Z80 was the processor in the famous Z80 Sinclair home computer. It would have been impossible to carry out the calculations to show the area that the pilot could see in real-time but they managed it by getting each processor to work on just one segment. In a similar way the Seti people are using internet connected home computers to examine signals from space.

The given wisdom is that parallel processing is the ultimate way to go, (your brain is a massively parallel computer!), but the programming is a pig.

I have grave doubts that Oblivion will be written that way!

[Bravo 1]

...ah, so only in doubles, like with RAM? (4, 8, 16, 32 64, 128, 256...etc)

...what is this Seti you mention? (wow, I'm really dragging us off topic aren't I? )

[Mebyon]

Off topic? So what's new in this forum!

Have a look here:
setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
for stuff on Seti

and here:
www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/segments/hpc/95581.htm
for a reasonably understandable article on parallel processing.

Enjoy!

[faudau]

OK d'oh! I skipped a page

(an Athlon 1000? you mean a 1GHz? this would mean a thunderbird which I don't believe supports SSE


We can help you do this Cali what Athlon are you running?

If you are running an ATHLON XP (most likely) then is does support SSE but not SSE2

Regan would know which is needed for this FPU proggy (where can I download it BTW) and what the requirements are.

If you have an Athlon64 then SSE2 is also supported ....so how about giving your computer specs ...if you need help let me know....and then I will find out the requirements.